Europeans 2018 And worlds 2021
19th May 2017 at 9:58pm #17560AndyMParticipant
in an idle moment I looked At the Okdia website and found that in Barbados the int. committee is voting on the Italian clubs pitch for both these events. I do not see any other bids. Thus a couple Of thoughts:
1) were the UK asked if they wanted to submit a bid given that we are represented by Robert Deaves. If so then ignore this post. if not then why not? There should be a clear bid process run by the international committeee where bids are sought and have to be submitted by a certain date, questions on the bids by another date, responses by another date with the final bids presented to the int committee with a thought through Recommendation by the person or persons responsible for reviewing the bids. This should include input from the regional associations. It is called transparency and is how Bids for the largest corporations are run
2) why 2 events. Garda is a must do for some but I understand that when the Ora blows it is a race to the cliffs that sets the finishing positions – subject to the odd wipe out on the downhill. At least this is what my daughter would have me to believe having sailed skiffs there a couple of years. I am sure Nick could let us all know if she is telling porkies.
3) safety. After Medemblik safety should be paramount at these events especially for the aged at the back. The solos were at Garda some 10 years ago and the guy I sailed with at IBRSC had a horrible experience. He wiped out, was In The water for 30 mins and was pulled out by a fellow competitor. I am sure this was a one off but Please remember that a sailor died at the Datchet flyer last year from a heart attack. There was hardly a breath of wind and he did head in to the slipway under his own steam where the rescue teams were able to get him to hospital before he passed away. Wind strength is not the only factor when it comes to safety . I admit I am likely in the minority, and I am sure that the disclaimer will alway prevent the club being sued, but Whether I sign the sailing declaration is always influenced by the clubs safety record and provision.
I joined the OK class to sail with kindred spirits and have yet to be disappointed. I also wanted to sail in the odd international regatta thus Medemblik and Lac Du Der this year. As someone said the startline has to be cluttered up by someone to make it a tad harder for the good guys and I would be one of those. I doubt I will Go to Garda should they win either bid. However Bandol in the S France looks fantastic. Can we have dates for next year please.
Andy19th May 2017 at 10:34pm #17561KazrobParticipant
I’ve only sailed once at Garda but apart from one day of nuclear breeze it was a fairly mixed week and one day even featured some current up one side of the lake which confused the bejeezus out of me. Would I go for an OK event there? Maybe, but not sure it adds anything to the class that the French med (Hyeres, Bandol) couldn’t do.20th May 2017 at 8:07am #17562
Andy, I will try give you my own take on the UK holding International events. I think I would be correct in stating Robert Deaves does not represent the UK. He is secretary for the FINN and the International OK Class. We have to represent ourselves. You state that maybe a bid process should be in place. Well in reality there is. Please read this document. This is now the official process for application for an international event.
http://www.okdia.org/association/documents/20160527_OK-Dinghy-Event-Manual-DRAFTv2.pdf ( NO Longer Draft)
The document is very restrictive on the UK especially when we start talking about minimum and equal tidal flow across a course. There are many items in this manual that are so hard to comply with. I believe it is far too restrictive.
However have a read for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
You might be aware the UK did submit at the 2016 worlds in France a bid for the 2020 Worlds, we lost that bid to Sweden.
It is my opinion we lost that bid partly due to the restrictions placed on us by this manual.
Ref the 2018 Garda bid, the manual states if no bids are received for an event the international committee reserve the right to select a venue. They have selected Garda.
I cannot see a reason the UK could not submit a bid for 2021 bidding against Garda. The manual allows numerous countries to bid against each other. I think up to 6 countries can bid against each other. I personally think this process is flawed.
For many years the World has run on a it is our turn basis and it worked.
It is my opinion the UK committee needs to make representation against this manual and the restrictions it places upon us.
With ref your comments on safety, I am sure most others will support your comments.
I like your comment ref sailing at International events and I feel the same way. I will also be at Lac-Du-Der and although you and I manned a rescue boat it did not distract from the enjoyment of attending the International meeting.
I will quote from the French ref Exotic events, “if it is Exotic IOKDIA require Europe can provide these venues. Barcelona,Valencia,Cannes etc etc” I would support this as it would be achievable for most based in Europe. The current Worlds in Barbados has attracted I think 73 entries. The majority of this entry is from Aus and NZ. So from an entry of 140 in France in 2016 to 73/5 in 2017 I cannot see how this exotic event can be regarded as a success.
If you feel strongly about the UK class bidding for a Worlds in 2021 then I suggest you make your feelings known.
I might suggest that most of the IOKDIA Suite of new documents seems to follow the FINN class, along with these new so called Exotic venues.
My views only, Ken Carroll.20th May 2017 at 8:43am #17563Duncan EllisKeymaster
Barcelona would be a fantastic venue and a great holiday for families.
Dave be a good lad and sort out a training weekend there, free in August,20th May 2017 at 9:02am #17565
One important fact I have missed off my comments/reply to Andy was, quite how Lake Garda complies to the events manual I know not. I have said it before with no response, not that it warrants a response but Lake Windermere would be an equal venue to Garda.20th May 2017 at 9:57am #17567burtParticipant
Windermere is cold Ken…
However I agree a pointless venue. A drag race to the cliff, I’m happy means I can put the hammer down in a force 5 but its not real racing.
I stayed in Riva del Garda before and its not what I expected a small Italian town to be.
If this is passed would we get a lower turn out at the 2018 Worlds in Warnemude? Again, an argument against having a Europeans every year. I understand the point of trying to create a European super circuit but my biggest question is where is the UK placed in this master plan. It seems like we have been forgotten and all the Europeans don’t want to even entertain the idea even though we have some superb venues and a lot of opportunities to host a barnstorming event.
Anyhow, rant over perhaps any of the continentals who read this forum may comment?
Burt20th May 2017 at 10:03am #17568
Good input, and all very valid. Personally I would support a UK proposal bidding against Garda in 2021.20th May 2017 at 10:03pm #17571Nick CraigParticipant
Garda is a fantastic place but yes the racing can be very one-sided when the Ora is fully blasting. However, it doesn’t seem as solid in recent years has become shiftier making for better racing. I’ve raced a lot in the morning wind, the Pela, which is very shifty and typically around a force 3, ideal for OK sailing. Except for the 8am starts though that does mean drinking can commence at lunchtime!!
Garda is the kind of place sailors should go at least once in a lifetime for the scenery, food and wine if nothing else. So for something different, I can see why the class is keen on Garda. An event during school holidays would be ideal so those with families could go or to avoid going and owing a billion brownie points on returning home!
There are no Italian OK sailors so whilst Garda would be a fantastic 1-off event, we do need to support our own fleets. Hosting an international event always gives a domestic class a boost. So I would very much support a Europeans or Worlds in the UK
Nick24th December 2017 at 1:53pm #18372
wondering if anything is being discussed within the UK association regarding hosting a major event?24th December 2017 at 5:45pm #18373
Doug, God loves a tryer.24th December 2017 at 7:54pm #18374
no harm in keeping something like this on page 1 of the forum26th December 2017 at 10:38am #18375Tony WoodsParticipant
Much work has been done in preperation for a bid to host the World Championships in 2022. Mary is leading from the front and has put some hours into the process already. As I understand it the next stage is preperation for an International bid.27th December 2017 at 11:29am #18377
Hi Tony, thanks for the update – good news indeed28th December 2017 at 2:08pm #18378
There you go Doug, you obviously go to church. I said god loves a trier. You have your reply.
Just 4 years to wait. Better than nothing.4th January 2018 at 9:06pm #18395
4 years from now….I’ll just be hitting my prime
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