22nd November 2015 at 12:47am #1322ChrisBiscParticipant
There is a post on European ok Facebook page that states Laminate sails are legal for all events except championships.
My reading of 2015 class rules refers to woven material.
Can anyone confirm laminate sails are legal22nd November 2015 at 7:41am #8596DaveBourneParticipant
iirc when laminate sails were trialled a few years back, you needed to have your national associations permission to use them and then only at open meeting level, not championship level. I personally think its right that we don’t use them, purely on a cost to lifespan basis. We’ve already had to suffer the pain of £1500 to £2000 masts but at least these last more than a season’s hard use.22nd November 2015 at 8:04pm #8597Paul CraigParticipant
I saw the facebook page as well, and was surprised by the answer. Having checked the rules again, you can’t use a laminate sail, full stop. Or it’s not an OK. I suppose you could enter a PY handicap race as on OK mod. And ask the race officer to give you a handicap.22nd November 2015 at 8:33pm #8598KazrobParticipant
I started that thread as I was intrigued by the picture in the class magazine of the laminated sail. I also checked the rules and found an Appendix that allows them.
“Sail makers are allowed on request and single (i.e. per sail) approval by the Technical Committee of OKDIA to build sails from laminated sail cloth. The use of those sails is allowed in any OK regatta with the exception of International events. For the purpose of this rule an event is an International Event when its aim is competition between competitors from more than one MNA.”
I have to say I’m generally in favour of them as from what I know from Finn sailors the new sails are nicer to sail with and remain competitive for most sailors longer than a Dacron sail. They just don’t last forever though whereas a Dacron sail will be blown out sooner but go on in one piece for longer – but any sail a few seasons old will be blown out if truth be told.
Having said all that I am a newbie to the class (sailing with an old, old Dacron sail) so my opinion doesn’t really count in the scheme of things.23rd November 2015 at 8:04am #8599KenParticipant
Whoa! Let’s leave this right behind, I am with Dave Bourne on this one. The boat is mega money now without adding the expense of Laminate sails.
We have a good package now and it is providing competitive sailing World wide, let’s leave well alone. The sails we currently use can be sold or passed on to, lets call them ‘club sailors,’ which keeps the home fleets, going if you get my drift. Who would buy a knackered or half Knackered delaminating sail NOT FOR ME.23rd November 2015 at 10:20am #8600ChrisBiscParticipant
When I raised subject I was taken aback somewhat that our European Bretheren seemed to be on the track of pushing anything to make the OK faster regardless of cost. The whole point of a boat like the OK was that to make it go competitivly you just have to have a good nut on the tiller. Not the latest super duper Mylar/Kevlar sail plus high modulus carbon mast plus 20kg backing plates on toe strap.
It’s a shame but no way could I contemplate a newer OK now and for all but special events in Thailand where I sail my 16 year old OK, I am becoming Laser sailor (a boat I always said in the past I would never sail)23rd November 2015 at 7:19pm #8601burtParticipant
Its a great idea… if you have lots of money to do it… it will not benefit the class at the moment sure in the future it will be looked at again but it was looked at only last year23rd November 2015 at 9:33pm #8602NickCraigParticipant
I agree with most of the comments on this. We used laminates in the Finn and they did look better and set nicely but their competitive life was significantly shorter
The appeal of the OK is fantastic racing at a reasonable cost with great socials. Laminates won’t help with that
Hopefully see lots of you at Blithfield in a couple of weeks, it’s Jim’s round
Nick24th November 2015 at 12:00pm #8603GregParticipant
I actually made the one in the photo as a test to see how long they last and how much they shrink. The idea was actually to prove to those who thought they were a good idea that in fact they weren’t. Seems to have pretty much succeeded. There is one around here as well and I measure it 3 times a year. It is about 5% smaller now than when new and is really starting to deteriorate. It is now 2 years old and gets used quite a lot but never in more than about 10knts of wind. It is good quality contender ATX Finn cloth so pretty much what would be used.
The tech committee (well some of us) decided to stop the debate by proving what most people think. They will cost more and last not as long. For sure you could use laminates that will last very well but they will heavy and no-one would want them. So in short the idea of the class going to laminates is pretty much a dead duck. Well at least I hope so.
It works in the finns as the pro’s sell a lot of sails cheap down the fleet and the masters guys tend to be wealthy enough to afford them. It would not be the same in or fleet and the 2nd hand market would most likely suffer.
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